Understand MTHFR, scale up your biz and become an influencer | Heal and Transform Podcast with Carolyn Ledowsky

by | Feb 15, 2020 | Podcast

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On this episode of the Heal and Transform Podcast, I speak with Carolyn Ledowsky. Carolyn is the founder of MTHFR Support Australia. Don’t know what MTHFR is? You should! And by the end of the episode you will! Carolyn started her career as a naturopath, herbalist and nutritionist, and has grown her company to the point where she now focuses on being an influencer and spreading the message around MTHFR. Learn about how she transitioned from 1:1 sessions to group training and leveraging her expertise to scale!

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Episode transcript

Andrew Ramsden 0:27
Today, everyone, and welcome to the show. On the episode today I’m going to be speaking with Carolyn radowsky. Now, Carolyn is the founder of mthfr. Support Australia. And if you don’t know what mthfr is, you should

Andrew Ramsden 0:42
it’s a very important fact that the coaches, therapists and dealers to keep in mind and be aware of, but it’s okay, you’re in the right place. today. We’re going to talk all about it and understand why that’s so important for us to be your quotes. So Carolyn started her career as a naturopath, herbalist and a nutritionist. She’s grown her company to the point where she now focuses on being an influencer speaker and spreading the message around mthfr.

Andrew Ramsden 1:12
G’day Carolyn, how are you?

Carolyn Ledowsky 1:13
Hello, I’m fine. How are you?

Andrew Ramsden 1:16
Very well. Yeah, thank you. That’s amazing. Yeah, it’s great to have you. And when I started to hear more and read more about mthfr, I started to realize the importance for everyone to be across this because, and as you’ve explained to me, it’s, it’s, it’s something that not a lot of practitioners know or understand. But it can have a really big impact on the health of so many people. And we’re just not aware of that as a factor. So we keep trying to solve the problems through all sorts of all the different levers that we know about. And in actual fact, we’re never going to be able to heal them or help them shift things because they’ve got that underlying issue that needs to be addressed.

Carolyn Ledowsky 1:59
Yes, that’s right. And with 65% of the population that potentially have a mutation in this gene, it’s really worth everybody knowing just what the potential influence might be. So tell us about this. What is this? It is a it’s a gene mutation. It is. So it stands. mthfr stands for methylene tetrahydrofolate reductase. It’s a long word, but essentially methylene tetrahydrofolate is our active foliage. So it’s an enzyme that helps us make active fall like, and these actually fall late then goes on to create what we call a methyl group. And it’s this methyl group that allows us to have these great on off switch that and imagine a methyl group is a carbon and it’s surrounded by three hydrogen. So it has an empty arm and it allows it to lock on to enzymes, proteins to activate them or turn them off. So for example, we have a lot of processes that really rely on this methyl group being their fat detoxification is one hormone is another one detoxification generally, our all our brain chemicals that, you know, make us happy and not depressed and not anxious or rely on these methyl groups. So if you have the gene and you’ve got two copies that you got from mom and dad, you could have this process down regulated by 70%. So the implications are failed IVF, multiple miscarriage, depression, anxiety, heart disease, carrying too much weight, and being way, way too sensitive to chemicals, and heavy metals and things that we should naturally beachy, detoxifying

Andrew Ramsden 4:03
miles phenomenal. So, potentially 65% of people have a mutation like this. And to some degree, it’s stopping us from turning important functions on and off in our body, including those enzymes and proteins, but also I know you said gene expression as well as the process of methylation. And it has such far wide reaching health implications as make sense for something does such a critical, important function in the body.

Carolyn Ledowsky 4:29
Yes. And and I think one of the biggest factors, even if you don’t have a problem with the mthfr gene, if you have a lot of stress in your environment, you are going to use those metals, and you may not be able to catch up. And normally when I’m talking to my patients is really about, well, when did this start? You know, obviously, they’ve always had that gene. It’s not something that just popped up they were born with it, but why did they start to see the effect when they did and invariably It’s some sort of stress or that happened, which set off the cascade. And that stress or might just be chronic ongoing stress at work, it could have been death of a loved one. It might have been exposure to some sort of pollutants. It might have been a virus, it’s something that put the body under stress, and the body goes, I need to recover. I need these methyl groups. So you use them, but because they’ve got mthfr, they can’t make them. And that’s usually when we get this downward spiral.

Andrew Ramsden 5:34
Wow, there you go. So here’s a here’s a question out of left field. I didn’t prepare me for this. But I myself went through a period of stress in the personal life and at work and then I I got fatigued and I got burnt out completely. It took four years to get a clear diagnosis of adrenal insufficiency. cortisol testing and found that my cortisol levels would fall too low and injecting supplementary cortisol. So my replacement therapy, which I’m now able to wean myself off, yeah. Is there a potential for that to be a representation of just potentially

Carolyn Ledowsky 6:15
100% I’m saying yes, that’s stress that you were under constantly, you didn’t have the capacity to backup and make metals to help you deal with the stress. So it’s a bit of a catch 22. You know, you get into a stressful situation, you use your methods up, but you need your metals to get yourself back to square one. And so you don’t have the capacity to do that. And a lot of people don’t, because think of also your diet. And I have a theory that I know is, you know, it’s my theory, and it’s backed by a little bit of research, but I actually think we’ve got a little bit of a problem with the fortification of folic acid. And I know that’s potentially controversial, but the We have an enzyme at the top of our foe like pathway called D HFR, or di hydrophone like reductase. And that enzyme can only cope with a little bit of folic acid and folic acid is the men made supplemental synthetic folate. And you might remember Andrew that it’s fortified. Most of bylaw all outbred flat flower has to be fortified with folic acid. And they did these in the US initially, because they saw that there are a lot of particularly in poor communities, women having babies with neural tube defects. So they said, Well, we must be putting folic acid in to stop that and did it. Yes, it did. And it’s been fantastic. But what the research is now saying is in the more affluent societies, where you’ve got fortified bread, fortified breakfast cereals, biscuits, protein shakes, powders, you name it fortified with folic acid, the guest And then you’ve got supplements and vitamins. And the guesstimate is that most people are having about 1000 micrograms of folic acid. Now this poor old D HFR enzyme only copes with about 200 to 300 micrograms. So what does it do? It shuts down. So you’ve got your top of your fall light pathway shut down by synthetic fala, which means you can’t make fall light. You’re good at default light. So if you were taking you know, in that time of stress, you weren’t eating leafy, lots of leafy greens, which is our natural good fall light. And you are, you know, on the go and you’re drinking coffee and you weren’t getting enough sleep and all those things we do when we’re in that stress response. And you think, Oh, I’m just going to take a multivitamin with folic acid to help me through. Chances are you started that downward spiral and I think the folic acid fortification, particularly in Australia And the US and in Europe, you know where we’ve got people having those multivitamins all the time. I think that’s a potential problem.

Andrew Ramsden 9:10
Wow. Yes, I was certainly eating those sorts of things at the time and drinking lots of coffee.

Carolyn Ledowsky 9:18
That’s right. That’s right. Exactly. And I look, I know that you can get low cortisol. But when we talk about adrenal fatigue, I’m not an advocate of adrenal fatigue, I’ll get the people a tired, but if I give someone the right amount of fo light and the right form of fall, like their so called adrenal fatigue can go in three weeks. Wow. You couldn’t. I don’t think that you can have adrenal fatigue. If you really did have adrenal fatigue, there’s no way that would come back in three weeks. So I guess we get fatigued and I think the adrenals are put under stress. Our hormones are affected particularly by environmental chemicals. And if you’re drinking coffee out of those plastic cups and your storage, you’re storing food in plastic containers and you’re drinking out of plastic water bottles, you as a male, particularly susceptible because it is not only reducing sperm numbers, but it’s actually affecting your hormones and your androgens, so you haven’t got the ability to have the good male hormones. Wow, there’s a lot of things that are being influenced by our environment, but you probably have some sort of susceptibility.

Andrew Ramsden 10:39
So yeah, I was never diagnosed formally with adrenal fatigue. And Western medicine tends to only recognize Addison’s disease, which is a very extreme in that thing. Right. And my diagnosis was adrenal insufficiency. So it was it was that’s why was hormone supplements hormone replacement there.

Carolyn Ledowsky 10:57

Andrew Ramsden 10:57
But it’s it’s it’s that I’ve been able to wean myself off of that. And certainly changing my diet has had a huge impact

Carolyn Ledowsky 11:05
That old adage you are what you eat, there is nothing more true than that crap and expect our bodies to, you know, do well, you’re completely delusional, you’ve got to be it’s like, it’s like having a great looking car and putting the worst possible petrol you could buy in it, it’s really not going to go very well. But if you put at the top of the range that’s good for your body, your car, chances are going pretty well for a long time.

Andrew Ramsden 11:35
makes a huge difference. And really even really interested to hear more about the fall light and whether that’s something I should try as well. Because it’s still something that I managed from day to day, I know I can have a tendency to burn myself out. So there’s lots of questions that follow on from that. And I guess the obvious one is how then do we get ourselves tested or get our clients tested to see if this is an issue for us? With

Carolyn Ledowsky 12:00
Good question, so they can just go on to our website mthfr support.com. Today, you. And if there’s any in the US, we’ve got mthfr Gene support.com. And they just go on their Google test kits. And they can actually get a buechele swag, which is just the inside of your mouth or a finger prick. And they contest mthfr that way. Wow. Yeah.

Andrew Ramsden 12:25
That’s it. Yeah. So you send that away and the results come back.

Carolyn Ledowsky 12:28
Exactly. And then look mthfr is a one gene in a big, so you can probably see that map up there. That was out well. Yeah, there you go. That is our methylation pathway. So it’s a very complicated big pathway. But it starts with the phone like that then goes into my signing that then goes into our CBS which helps starts with our detoxification. So mthfr is just one of those little jeans up there. But it is part of a big picture. And I think it’s really integral in how people cope with all day everyday stress.

Andrew Ramsden 13:16
So what should we be looking out for? We’re working with clients, and we’re seeing certain signs and symptoms, which we’ll be looking at for to say, hey, maybe we should actually investigate this.

Carolyn Ledowsky 13:26
Well, I think anyone that is constantly getting sick, you know, you know that their immune system is depleted. I think that is a really big marker. Anyone that has a family history of miscarriage or cardiovascular disease, you must be checking for mthfr. If there’s hormonal issues that you sort of do all the older Bloods and things and you think, you know, something’s just not quite right here can’t put I’ll give you an example a lot of the patients that are diagnosed with unexplained infertility. So they’ve been everywhere they’ve done everything, but they just not falling pregnant. And no one can really tell them why. It’s usually because they’ve got mthfr. And because of that lack of full light, lack of good quality DNA, they’re either not falling pregnant or they don’t have good quality hormones. So I think there’s a quite a few little pointers that I would say if someone has multiple chemical sensitivity, and they’re reacting to everything that you’ve got to assume there’s probably an mthfr polymorphism in there somewhere that’s affecting the gluta fire and their ability to detoxify.

Andrew Ramsden 14:39
Right, so we send that away for the test, and then that comes back. And then what what would the treatment include? What what what do we do differently as practitioners, as always come back positive? Is it just against non positive negative or is it more of a sliding scale?

Carolyn Ledowsky 14:54
No, no, that’s why I’ve spent 10 years teaching practitioners how to do it because it is not Just that simple, you have mthfr give these? No, it’s not that at all. So we have a practitioner training series, and I’ve given you that link. And if they go on to the mthfr, Gene support.com, there’s a little button that says, Institute. So we have an institute price training program for practitioners. And the reason we set that up is because this isn’t just straightforward, you don’t see this gene and get this supplement. It is about looking for markers, like the 12. What are they? What is someone’s genetics around be 12 because if they can’t make or recycle be 12. They can’t use their fall age. So we look at other associated genes and we say, all right, what is the big picture with this patient? So what we need to take into consideration Andrew is their, their family history and that that gives us a lot of clues. Their blood also give us a lot of clues. So for example, if you look at the red So, count and you say that mean corpuscular volume is over 89, then we would say, or they could be a be trouble for light deficiency here, if you read so distribution with, for example is over 13, we might make the same assumption. If you see people with a constant white cell count that’s lowered, you might also make the same assumptions. And we give all our practitioners tips on what to look out for, and how to look out for it. And then we do the gene training. So we look at the associated pathways, the full light in the save the Matthias lane, and CBS and we say, all right, this is what the pathways do. These are the genes that interact and make this pathway work. And these are the nutrients that up regulate and down regulate the pathway. So essentially, what you’re getting with a patient in front of you is a jigsaw and you need a practitioner to be almost like a medical detective and put the pieces in at the right place at the right time and learn what goes in first and what doesn’t. So for example, if you gave someone who’s very seek that has mthfr acting, fall lights straight away, you’re stimulating pathways that they’ve got no coping mechanism, they can’t detoxify, but you’ve just suddenly increased their detoxification. So what’s going to happen, they’re going to react, and they’re going to feel worse. So there is definitely a process. And it’s, it’s very individual, because you are dealing with genetics and susceptibility. So I can look at your genetics Andrew and I can say, right, your susceptibility is really in three key places when it comes to you being healthy. You know, one might be you be 12 one might be your glorifying jeans, you know, you’ve got a lack of In those jeans, then I look at your blogs and say, well, that’s just perceptibility. But look at your zinc, you zinc is really low. So we’ve got to bring the zinc up, because it’s critical to these pathways that you’re not working with are not particularly working well. And because you’re a male, zinc is the most important nutrient for you. So we’re going to start you on zinc and maybe a bit of B 12. And we’re going to get these pathways moving. And then we can do other testing to say, Well, you’ve got genes around estrogen metabolism, you’re not doing that particularly well. So let’s actually taste and see if that’s the case. So it’s it’s really proactive health care, because you’re not sitting back and saying, All Well, you’ve got adrenal fatigue, Andrew, I’m just going to give you adrenal formulas, what you got to work out. Why didn’t you cope with that stress? When you are on the current stress? Yes, you had a genetic susceptibility, but you also were not doing the right thing by your body. So it then be comes, you know, if someone didn’t have your genes, maybe they could have coped with it without falling apart for four years. I think everybody, you know, will be affected by stress if they do that to their bodies to some degree. But it just depends that there are some people that fall in a heap. And you’re probably lucky that it took you four years. Some people it takes 40 years to recover from something like that. And it’s usually that environmental stress has influenced the genes that were already having a problem.

Andrew Ramsden 19:33
Yeah, very cool.

Carolyn Ledowsky 19:35
So it is, really it is an amazing way to practice because you get outcomes that you actually never thought you could. So I have patients that you know, will have literally been going to doctors and specialists, sometimes 3040 years, let’s say with chronic depression and they have literally Every antidepressant, some have worked a little bit, some haven’t worked at all, but they’ve not really got that lifting out of the depression. And but when you look at their susceptibility, I can say to them, well, your problems not serotonin, it’s doping me. So you should never have been given an SSRI, what you needed with something to lift the Joker mean, and I’ve got some patients who have had depression for 50 years, I’ve turned around in three or four weeks. Wow.

Andrew Ramsden 20:30
It is as if you’re a therapist or a life coach, and you’re seeing patients that have and, and touchies that have these sorts of symptoms, then this might be something that you want to partner with someone who can work in this space to help them troubleshoot through it but if you’re a naturopath or a nutritionist or healer, you might want to go and get the training itself because it sounds like supplements can be fantastic, but they’re a bit of a blunt tool, bit of trial and error in this case. You’re much more precision around knowing where I’m at now. Yeah,

Carolyn Ledowsky 21:05
yeah. And, you know, I really would love GPS to be involved in this too. And in fact, a GP contacted me yesterday and said, I want to be part of your training program. And I thought that was fantastic. Because they’re the front line. They are the ones seeing people every single day. And wouldn’t it be great if we could actually, you know, let’s say a woman is sitting there in front of a GP, she’s been trying to fall pregnant. He knows that, you know, her mother had endometriosis, her sister had endometriosis. And he says, Well, listen, I think we should check check your estrogen metabolism genes, and let’s do an estrogen metabolism test to make sure you don’t end up there. So it’s, it can be I think it’s really empowering for patients. And I think it’s fantastic for practitioners because they really get excited, because if you’ve ever as a practitioner sat there and let’s say you’ve got a protocol for something It’s like chronic fatigue, you’ve got a protocol. And you give it to one person and they react quite well, and they do their thing. And you give it to the other person, and they just keep coming back and say, no change, no change, no change. And I think that’s where we’re letting the system down with our practitioner training, is we’re giving protocols, but we’re actually not individualizing, what’s going on with the patient? And if you start to do that, you can look at it very clearly and say, Well, okay, you’ve actually got genetics around your energy being 12. So let’s give you some of that energy be 12. And you can you could see a reaction, you know, almost immediately.

Andrew Ramsden 22:40
Amazing. I mean, I’ve, I’ve never had a GP or a doctor or specialist suggest that I should get genetic testing. And I guess this is technology that’s been around for a little while now. But it’s still fairly early days, isn’t it? It’s still not widely adopted?

Carolyn Ledowsky 22:54
No, but more and more, and I was just saying this to one of the specialists. I was talking Yesterday, this is really consumer driven. we as an industry are so far behind. And yet the patient, this is what the patients want. They want to be able to bring in their genetics and say, Carolyn, what is the problem with my genetics? Where does my susceptibility lie? And what can I do to prevent x, y and Zed going on that I know is in my family. And now that’s great stuff. That’s good stuff. When I set up my my business, I changed the name of my business 10 years ago to mthfr support Australia. My husband thought I was nuts. He goes, What the hell is this? How is anyone going to find you? And is anyone even interested? And honestly, within three months, I quadrupled my business and I had to bring on new practitioners and train them because I couldn’t do it. Because the Australian consumers were out there going, I want inflammation. I need someone in Australia to do it. And you know, we have four practitioners at mgh Fast Forward Australia that are completely booked out months ahead all year round. Because this is what people want. They don’t want protocol. They don’t want pills. They don’t want pharmaceuticals. They want to know what they can do to make sure that they don’t get sick. Or if they are sick, how can they actually do it on a much deeper level to change it so they don’t continuously get sick?

Andrew Ramsden 24:33

Carolyn Ledowsky 24:34

Andrew Ramsden 24:36
It’s proactive medicine, isn’t it? It’s proactive wellness!

Carolyn Ledowsky 24:38
Absolutely. It’s an endless way we need to go and it’s so disappointing to see that the government in April turn around and took away all rebates for natural pathy nutrition and everything else which was preventative. I mean, how short sighted and stupid was that?

Andrew Ramsden 24:57
Yeah, because by the time we’re reacting to it, it’s Such a serious and significant issue. It’s much harder to recover from.

Carolyn Ledowsky 25:04
And what does that do? What does it What message does that send? Oh, we’ll just go back into the hospital and the GPS system. It’s already overloaded. It’s already costing billions and billions of dollars a year. I mean, I think it was a stupid thing they’ve ever done. I mean, there is a guy doing a review in April, and we can only hope that they see sense to, you know, reverse the decision.

Andrew Ramsden 25:26
Well, let’s hope so because I would encourage it, but I’m, I’m really encouraged to see that this is a consumer led revolution. You know, like, like all the things we’ve been through recently, like the bush fires, it got to a point where I think people realize, well, we’re going to have to type this into our own hands and take action ourselves as citizens as consumers as as there should have been

Carolyn Ledowsky 25:48
recently spoke on a it was called genius of your gene summit, run by a US group that sort of promotes health care within The world you know, so they’re empowering patients. They had 850,000 people logging in every day and listen to that. So what does that tell you? You know, people want this info.

Andrew Ramsden 26:14
It’s huge. You also talk to your business journey there where it really started to take off and flourish for you. And I think as a key lesson there around really nation down and knowing your niche is probably a key lesson there that getting ahead of the curve a little bit. So I’ve been an expert in an area before it becomes before it becomes big and I know there’s a fantastic book by Malcolm Gladwell called outliers that talks about that same concept of sticking in there with your expertise, knowing how important it is, but knowing that and everyone else hasn’t caught up yet but when they do catch up, you’ll be right there on the front that way is

Carolyn Ledowsky 26:52
like everyone thought I was absolutely crazy. To just call my business mth glass of water because most people Wash, like what is mthfr? But now 10 years down the track, you know, all the consumers know, hundreds and hundreds we get 1000 hits a day on our website. People know it, they want the information. And I think that’s absolutely true that if you say you’re a natural path, or you’re a nutritionist, the ones that do really well is they niche and they say, I’m a nutritionist that specializes in obesity, or I’m a nutritionist that specializes in preconception care, or I only treat patients who are pre diabetics. So that’s the nation that’s where you gain I guess you’re, you want to be seen as an expert. You want to be seen as an influencer. You want to be seen as an educator. And when you niche, you can build that profile really quite easily and even at the top You know, it’s really it’s actually quite frightening because you think, Oh, am I really the expert like 10 years ago, I was learning as I went, you know, it was like, I’d sit up till four in the morning researching and researching and researching. And I’m thinking, I’ve got to know this. I’ve just got to know this stuff. And then I tried out my patients and something would go wrong. And I think, Oh, my God, what have I done? And then something would go really right. And they’d have such a great reaction. I think this is fantastic. And then slowly, but surely, I thought, I need to share what I’m doing here because I’m so excited about it. And then my goal was to just be an influencer, you know, in Australia, but then I started to do presentations in the US and get involved with these summits and then slowly but surely, you can then become a worldwide expert, which is, which is fantastic because, as a find as a practitioner, I’m one person and you have these new Massive line of patients wanting to see you. And I find it quite depressing to have to say, Look, I’m sorry, I just can’t take on any more patients. So I feel like it’s my mission to do one of two things, or to do two things. One is to teach other practitioners how to do this, so that we are helping all our patients. And the other one is to empower patients to understand it and get the practitioner support that they need. Because in my mind, it’s actually not okay for women to be having miscarriages when it’s just solely due to an internet charging. And it’s often until someone has had 5678 miscarriages, that someone goes, Oh, have you checked for mthfr I want it to be the other way. I want every single person in the world that’s looking at fertility to go. I’m just going to check if I’ve got the mthfr gene, and then I’ll start my fertility journey. That’s what we should be doing. And it’s the same with anxiety and depression in children, we should be looking at their genetic susceptibility, right from the get go and say, is my child susceptible to depression? And what do I need to do to ensure they don’t go there?

Andrew Ramsden 30:19
So, you know, not just every woman that that’s pregnant or every woman that’s had a miscarriages, it’s everybody. And it’s that proactive approach. I think that talked about a few things there that were really important in your journey in your business journey. So you talked about picking a niche that you know is going to be important and valuable, whether it’s now or people will start to catch on and realize, I mean, becoming so doing the research and then becoming an influencer. I’m really interested in this transition between the researcher you that was feeling a little bit like well, who am I to talk about these things? I don’t know if you think of it in terms of the imposter syndrome, but I hear this a lot from entrepreneurs. Who am I to be Putting to be putting myself out there into becoming an influencer. That’s a tough transition. Was there something? Was it just time? Was it more knowledge? Or was this something that shifted for you inside where you allowed yourself to step out into that spotlight?

Carolyn Ledowsky 31:14
Yeah, I am. I literally jumped off a ledge and decided that I was going to do a conference for practitioners in Australia. So I had, I set up the Australian Metallo methylation and genomic summit, and then invited all the practitioners got all my supporters to help spread the word. And we ended up with two amazing conferences, one in Melbourne and one in Sydney. And, you know, to have to stand up in front of you PS and talk biochemistry and talk what you do and teach them is actually pretty scary. But it is the knowledge that empowers you because I don’t think there’s really a question that someone hasn’t ever thrown at me. That I’ve at least been able to say, Look, my initial thought is x y&z did. But I need to think about that a little bit more. But that’s probably where you’re coming from at the moment in terms of the biochemistry, because I know it so well now. And I know these pathways I used to dream about them. So I knew that once I could do it in my pocket, probably do it or not. So it was knowledge. It was an end. It was literally the, the way that I worked with my patients, getting that feedback, understanding what was working when something didn’t work. I didn’t just go all that didn’t work. I wanted to know why I have this. I have this probably imagined I have this really like I don’t take no for an answer. So if something doesn’t work, I want to know why it didn’t work. And so I’ll say to them, okay, why didn’t this work? Let’s think of all the reasons why it didn’t work. And I will ladder down until I know the reason And what didn’t work. So when the next patient comes, I know Oh, hang on, I remember that other patient. The reason it didn’t work is this, I wonder if this is the same reason. So I might go to that, then that I’d find her reason. So it’s just the you just have to have this mind that does not give up. And if something goes wrong, you admit Look, it went wrong. I’m not quite sure why. But I’m going to find out why. And if you aren’t good, my patients, the one thing they say to me is she never ever gives up. And I don’t do that if something’s too hard. I don’t give up I go back to my biochemistry book, go back to the genetics and think okay, what have I missed? I’ve obviously missed something. So it’s not unusual, me with a difficult client to go back and revisit from the very beginning three or four times. Now. I’ve got to go back to the gym. I’ve got a real look at what I maybe missed the first time I’ve got and maybe there’s another gene that I didn’t think was significant, but it was, and so I’ll backtrack. So it’s an IT, I find it exciting. It is really challenging at times. But as a practitioner, it’s the most exciting, invigorating, it gives you a lot of the practitioners that I teach, they say, it’s just give me given me this newfound confidence in dealing with any patient on the planet, which is pretty good.

Andrew Ramsden 34:34
Yeah, amazing and built up over time. So some of those really important underlying personality traits and attributes being that determination. And I would call it a commitment to excellence. Where is the opportunities to deliver more excellence next time, then you want to know about that? Yeah. So you’ve moved from being being the expert and then into being the influencer? And then You’re flooded with opportunity flooded with clients. And I imagined you would have had to scale up. So now you’ve scaled the team up. So there’s a transition there from being a thought leader, and an expert into being a leader of people. What was that transition like for you?

Carolyn Ledowsky 35:16
And, look, it’s always difficult leading a team, but I figure, you lead by example. And I have a lot of online. So we actually have an online team of 10 which are based in Singapore, all around Australia. So I have different people doing different things to help me out in areas of my practice, in addition to the full practitioners that I’ve got and the reception stuff, so the thing about scaling up is you can’t do it yourself. You need to get the resources of people to take the pressure off you and again, you want niche people. So I’ve got an infusion soft expert. I’ve got a PA, I’ve got an IT expert. I’ve got, I’ve got a Facebook expert, I’ve got a social media expert. So I have these experts within my group that allow me to then not have to do it myself because I do the big, the big high level stuff and working on all the copy and the writing and the chicken blogs. And we’ve got blog riders, we’ve got newsletter writers. So when you upscale, you can’t do it yourself, you’ve got to then have that chain that supports you or you do get burnt out very easily.

Andrew Ramsden 36:39
Amazing. So you’ve got virtual assistants and virtual consultants. Yep, working behind the scenes. And I guess in 2020 it’s easy enough to get those people in the gig economy. To get those through sites like Upwork with connections without work

Carolyn Ledowsky 36:55
and all my people were on up work and now I’ve just got the connections of different things. people that I work with. And I find it so easy. And what I find about getting people say in the Philippines is that you are also doing an amazing thing for them. My my, it go, come creative girl. She’s been working with me for pretty well, seven years. She’s just bought her family’s first house. And I thought, wow, that’s, you know, I’m so happy for her because by working with me, she’s managed to buy a house. So it’s, it’s a good it’s a great relationship. And, and you know, we talk all day every day. We’ve got stipends back, and you name it, WhatsApp, all these connections. So the way that the business works now it’s a little it’s, it’s everyone’s really close. It doesn’t matter where you are in the world. It’s quite,

Andrew Ramsden 37:56
it’s amazing. I mean, in particular in the Philippines, I know they have A fantastic culture about this. The cost of living so low, they can offer their rights quite a lot. Right, but make money for themselves. Yeah, they have great culture, that great work life balance. You know, I know that works really, really well for them to manage all of these people yourself, or do you have a chief operations officer that helps

Carolyn Ledowsky 38:21
manage them all, at this point,

Carolyn Ledowsky 38:25
I pay tends to do a lot of the coordination and make sure that everybody does their task for the day, but I will usually have meetings with them or, you know, as the week progresses, so just to make sure everybody’s coordinated, but that’s probably my next next step because it is, you know, it’s becoming a lot to coordinate at all. And I’m actually doing research myself so I’m actually doing an honors degree in research looking at, you know, what practitioners are using in the way of fall light for fertility, so I’ve got that on my plate as well. So it’s very busy. But yeah, it’s it’s, it’s good and it’s fun and I’m, I’m yeah, really enjoying it.

Andrew Ramsden 39:10
So you’re ready to really step from being a leader to being a leader of leaders, you’re ready for that next step.

Carolyn Ledowsky 39:16
I will be saying, Yes, I will be. And I think this is what’s really exciting about the practitioner mentoring groups that we’ve got is that there are a lot of practitioners that see what I’m doing, and they want help with that. They want to know, where do I go? Like I’m, I don’t want to just sit there five days a week and see 35 patients a week, I really would like to build my influence within my community. So how do I do that? And I think that’s, that’s what drives me is to get the word out and make sure that people are aware of it, that practitioners are aware of it because they’re going to have better outcomes. So you’ve got some of the practitioner every practitioners in different space, and I should just One yesterday who she’s been a practitioner for 37 years, she’s, she’s getting more complicated cases, but she doesn’t want the workload of 35 3040 patients what she would really like, is because she’s been a long term practitioner to actually build the business outside the everyday clinic. And that, again, means she’s got some great programs, but she’s just not utilizing them. So it’s teaching them how they can actually step to the next step, and do what I’m doing in terms of being able to get income outside seeing patients on a one on one basis.

Andrew Ramsden 40:37
So this is transitioning to greater leverage a stage that you had to go through in your business. We started running training programs and doing less one on one and more of this group based and online training. And now you’re training the trainers you’re training coaches and healers to do this for themselves in their own business.

Carolyn Ledowsky 40:56
Yeah, because

Carolyn Ledowsky 40:58
it’s I think they just need the confidence because as practitioners and healers, we are very into that personal connection. And so we, we sort of feel like we’re, we’re giving up or we’re failing if we walk away from that. But what I, what I realized is, there’s no way I could get my message out. If I just did that. Too many women would have a miscarriage. And that’s what drives me. There’s too many kids oppression and anxiety. We can’t, we are never going to have any impact if I just sit and do one on one on one feel for that individual person. But I can’t go to school and say, Look, you got to look at this. There’s a problem here. What teenage side is an all time high? We have to stop it. Stop it. We have to be we have to have parents, we have to have educators and we have to have politicians aware of what they need to do. So we’ve got an outside our comfort zone and actually Go and, and present and talk about it and get people to understand Oh, actually maybe she’s right maybe there’s something I could be doing here with my child’s diet at home that could actually prevent it.

Andrew Ramsden 42:14
And as you say, to have that greater impact, you can’t do it one on one you got to leverage yourself better. And when I talk about leverage, I was talking about leveraging your time better leveraging your your talent better, leveraging your technology and leveraging a team. And what’s wonderful is you’re doing all four of those.

Carolyn Ledowsky 42:33
You know, sometimes you cannot create anything, God just another, such a busy day. But I feel like we’re we we got a new Infusionsoft expert that’s really helped us out this year and that’s taken a lot of pressure off because I don’t know if your listeners know Infusionsoft. But it just helps you automate things. And it makes life a little bit easier because you’re not having to do so many manual things. So you could write pro grants, you can do courses and it’s automated, which is really nice. So it and you can send out newsletters and you can do all these other things that that are just really make your life a bit easier. Because if you want to include your sphere of people that that, listen to you and read your blogs and do that, you can’t manually tag them and say, oh, Andrew is a, you know, a, someone who’s interested in stress. What you want to do is you want to send out things about stress, and the Andrews and the John’s and the Sarah’s and the, you know, Mary’s of the world will say, yeah, I’m interested in stress, tell me more, and then you tag them and then you send them information based on that. So you want to be able to tag and segment list so that you’re not sending everybody stuff that they don’t want the people who want infertility get infertility for people who want Depression, get anxiety, depression, the people that want diet get diet, because we get so many emails, you just think, God, I don’t want to I’m not interested in this. And you just go delete, delete, delete and eventually you just, you know turn around and and unsubscribe. So what you want is to create content that is relevant to your listeners or your readers.

Andrew Ramsden 44:24
Yes, we’re talking about Yeah, talking about marketing automation here. And customer client relationship management systems. And there are a number of different tools that you can use at different price points. But Infusionsoft is is right up there at the top. It’s the gold standard. Yes, yeah.

Carolyn Ledowsky 44:40
Yeah. So I’m really glad I took that step last year to get the infusion soft specialist because that’s been great to sort of let go a lot of that manual stuff.

Andrew Ramsden 44:55
Amazing. That’s really exciting. Congratulations.

Carolyn Ledowsky 44:59
Thank you.

Andrew Ramsden 45:00
Well, look, we’ll probably come up to time for today. Is there anything else that I really should know that you want to leave us with? Any other advice?

Carolyn Ledowsky 45:08
Um, yes, I think the, you know, your genetics or your susceptibility, or your patient’s genetics is their susceptibility. It is not a all and end all what changes and influences the Jane is the environment. So that’s why it doesn’t work to say you have this gene, I’m going to give you this supplement, or you have this gene, you can’t do this, or you can do that. It doesn’t work that way, your susceptibility is there. But you then got to make sure that your environment is good to making sure that that gene isn’t switched on, or upregulated or downregulated. So you give the advice, you take away the, you know, potential toxins, and then you plug up that susceptibility. So if we go back to the car analogy, I would Say, you know, you’ve got the good petrol, you’re feeding that car. It’s great. But you’re driving in a line with lots of potholes, and it doesn’t matter what happens, your car is going to be damaged because you’re continuously driving over those potholes. But if you plug that pothole up, your car will just go beautifully and probably not have any major dramas. So that pothole is your genetic susceptibility. So you’ve got it. You can’t just do the diet and environment, you’ve got to look at the genetic susceptibility and say, Well, how do these two mesh mesh and how do I then look at what’s going on right here and now. And when you do that, get this beautiful, free? What I I say I, I believe the body will intrinsically do what it needs to do if you give them the tools to do that.

Andrew Ramsden 46:55
Awesome, great advice. Thank you. And we’ll definitely link to Your website and to those testing tools. Is there anything else that we should link to anywhere else we can find you online?

Carolyn Ledowsky 47:07
Yes, there’s, we’ve got, as I said, two sites. We’ve got mthfr support.com. Today you in the US, we’ve got mthfr gene support calm, and we’ve got mthfr fertility.com. So I’m going to be doing practitioner trainings in Australia and in the us this year. I’m going to be doing charity presentations in Australia on us this year. So if any patients are interested or practitioners are interested in practitioner training, we have amazing platforms for them. And I’ve given you the link for the information on the practitioner training.

Andrew Ramsden 47:46
Amazing. Thank you so much. That was really, it was incredible. Mind blowing. And thank you. Thank you also for sharing your journey as an entrepreneur and businesswoman. That’s really inspiring.

Carolyn Ledowsky 47:57
Thank you, Andrew. It’s not too baby.

Andrew Ramsden 48:00
I’ll talk to you soon. Okay, bye for now. So there you go, folks, that was Carolyn radowsky. Isn’t that amazing? If you haven’t gone out and get yourself tested, maybe you might want to think about doing that. Certainly, if you’re experiencing some of those symptoms, I know I’m gonna go and get tested just because I’m, I’m curious and 65% is quite a large number. So I hope you all enjoyed that will link to Carolyn’s website and the test kits below. And drop us a comment as well and tell us what was most insightful interesting about that for you, maybe it was learning about mthfr. Or maybe it was about parallels journey as a businesswoman. And if you’ve got any questions for Carolyn poppers and comments as well, until next time, be safe, they will get yourself tested, and I’ll talk to you soon.

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